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AW: orion Second-Temple holidays: 15 of Av
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:29:40 +-100
From: Aayko Eyma <firstname.lastname@example.org>
To: "'email@example.com'" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: AW: orion Second-Temple holidays: 15 of Av
**If I may address a question not addressed to me:
>And finally- why do you think that the "Hag Hashem" in Shilo [Judges 21:19]
>is Succot? It would seem rather depressing for the girls to have to dance
>in the empty vineyards with their browning leave in the middle of Tishrei,
>instead of the height of the grape harvest in the middle of Av!
***Josephus AJ. V,2,12 says it was one of the three Pilgrim Feasts,
and as the girls event is always linked with the vinyards (Judges, cf.
Jer 31:4-6), Pascha and Shavuoth drop off I would say. Leaving the
wine feast (AND 'The Festival' par excellance) Succoth as 'obvious'
candidate (i.e. for three reasons).
If you'll forgive me for speculating a bit:
* Of course in many cultures, yearly gatherings on a central place
(for economic or religious reasons) often are accompanied by a
* On ANE someone remarked some time ago, that the Misnah link of
the girls event with Yom Kippur is so 'unlikely', that it was not likely a late
invention (Yom Kippur growing more solemn in time). IF that is so - then
perhaps the event was at one time moved from Succoth [HB;Judges] to
the end of Yom Kippur and Av 15 [Misnah]. Actually, if I were a concerned
father, I would not feel comfortable with my daughter dancing on a feast
that likely has lots of drunk males around! - and thus I would applaud
such a moving. ;)