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Re: orion Hirschfeld JNES and Lisan peninsula
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:14:45 -0700
From: Mike Sanders <Mike.Sanders@BibleMysteries.com>
To: orion@mscc.huji.ac.il
Cc: goranson@duke.edu
Subject: Re: orion Hirschfeld JNES and Lisan peninsula
I have been given the following information which was new to
me. Is it widely known and what effect does this have on all
the theories?
"a recent study demonstrates that the DS level
rose between 40BC and 150AD by 72 meters ie: Jericho would
have been a 'seaside' town and
Thus the Jordan estuary would have been placed
further north in the Jordan valley, and the southern end of
the DS
would have been flooded
Mount Sdom [now the only rock salt deposit] and the result
of precipitation
of salt and carnalite in the shallow southern end
prior to its being "lifted" into its present almost vertical
position, must
have also been partially flooded, though still projecting
above the level
and not enough to have been effected by "salt mirror"
dissolution.
You could possibly look at the paper: or I could scan it:
"Salt mirror and Petroleum formation"
Fourth syposium on salt vol 1 / 2
printed by the Northern Ohio Geological Soc"
Ever
Mike
Mike.Sanders@BibleMysteries.com (Private e-mail)
BibleMysteries@BibleMysteries.com (Web Site e-mail)
http://www.BibleMysteries.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Goranson <goranson@duke.edu>
To: orion@mscc.huji.ac.il <orion@mscc.huji.ac.il>
Cc: goranson@duke.edu <goranson@duke.edu>
Date: Saturday, June 27, 1998 10:16 AM
Subject: orion Hirschfeld JNES and Lisan peninsula
>Yizhar Hirschfeld has contributed a substantial article
that I assume will
>be of interest to some on list. "Early Roman Manor Houses
in Judea and the
>Site of Khirbet Qumran," JNES 57 (1998) 161-189.
> It provides much comparative information and architectural
plans,
>which will be useful, even though, in my opinion, his main
thesis is not
>demonstrated.
> Hirschfeld quite reasonably emphasizes the agricultural
nature of
>the site--it was not, e.g., a fort. Naturally, some
architectual elements,
>such as the tower, were not unique to Qumran. He writes
that there is
>little or no reason to assume a major gap in habitation
after the 31 BCE
>earthquake. The article does not establish a luxurious
level of material
>culture (e.g., no frescoes or mosaics). Nor does it show a
distinct
>difference in quality level between a proposed pars urbana
and a pars
>rustica. If the Greek term for manor house is "baris," why
is a featured
>proposed example from Josephus (War 2.70) described as a
"ktema," estate?
>His compared sites do not have so many miqvaot nor a
comparable cemetery.
>Essenes as unlocated fringe workers is not persuasive;
Qumran still looks
>communal. And the Ein Gedi site, as previously discussed,
does not fit
>Pliny's text.
> There's much else in the article. To mention just one more
item: a
>footnote that caught my eye. Page 185 note 48 discusses the
cemetery at
>Qumran, then mentions some similar burials at Zafafa, south
of Jerusalem.
>Then, Hirschfeld wrote: "Another large cemetery with graves
of the same
>type as those of Qumran and Jerusalem were observed by me
(together with
>Yoram Tsafrir and Uzi Dahari) at the site called el-Mazra'a
in the 'tongue'
>of the Dead Sea. These graves have been recently robbed by
the local
>population, and, as far as I know, are not recorded
anywhere."
> It may be worth noting that Epiphanius, Panarion, Heresy
19, on the
>Ossenes (19.1.2, F. Williams trans.) wrote of Ossenes: "I
have been told
>that they originally came from Nabataea, Ituraea, Moabitis
and Arielis, and
>the lands beyond the basin of what sacred scripture called
the "Salt Sea":
>this is the one known as the 'Dead Sea.'"
>
>Stephen Goranson
>goranson@duke.edu