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Re: Josephus & DSS & more

Jack Kilmon:
<That the dualism of the Essenes and Therapeutae gave rise to Christian 
gnosticism is espoused by some, a construct I would consider as probable 
given my belief of a close relationship between the Jerusalem Essenes (not 
necessarily the putative Qumran/Secacah sect) and the Netzarim.>

I didn't follow how a close relationship between the N'tzarim and the 
Essenes of Y'rushalayim connects the N'tzarim or the Essenes with Christian 

gnosticism.

Jack:
	<As an aside on our previous discussions of putative "Christian" 
writings among the DSS material, I do not think I ever qualified my 
thoughts 
on this... other than the intriguing 7Q5.>

Jack:
<"Christian" writings, as we know them in the New Testament would be 
anachronistic to the DSS corpus.  Furthermore, these gentile developments of 
any writings that would be asscociated with my speculated Asayyim/Netzarim 
community would probably be considered pagan and anathemetized.>

This squares with my understanding.

Jack:
<7Q5, however, MAY be a fragment of a source COMMON to both groups and a 
possible SOURCE document for the original Mark.  This, in my mind, is a 
better explanation for O'Callaghan's "similarities.">

Can you give the Rockefeller plate number for 7Q5 please, and where I might 
obtain a text and translation?


Jack:
	<The oft-times overzealous desire to find our "roots" in the DSS 
corpus would be best applied examining the "bifurcation" texts such as the 
"Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs" which scholarly debate seems to 
describe as either:
	1. A document arising from (and I will use Yeshuine instead of 
"Christian") sources using their own JEWISH sources, or;
	2. A Judaic document heavily interpolated by the "Netzarim/Yeshuine" 
cult.

	While Charles held that T12 was originally an Hebrew work, H.C. Kee 
maintained that it was originally Greek, based on LXX, fm c. 1st century BCE 
by a Syrian Hellenist author, with "not more than twelve" Christian 
interpolations added later "that may be readily differentiated from the 
original Greek text." (Charlesworth, Pseudepigrapha, vol. 1: 777).
	My impression is that the Hellenist orientation ot T12 reflects 
neither "Yeshuine," N'tzarim, nor Essenes; and that the interpolations were 
likely Christian as opposed to N'tzarim.

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